entropy, process, outcome
Dr Rajesh was talking about entropy in Engineering Physics lecture yesterday. It is something to do with thermodynamics and the energy involved. So he was linking macrostates and microstates and the example he used kind of triggered me to ponder somewhere far...
The example is like this: you have 4 coins and you are to toss them. In order to get 4 heads/0 tail there is only 1 way; 4 ways for 3 heads/1 tail; 6 ways for 2 heads/2 tails; 4 ways for 1 head/ 3 tails; and 1 way for 0 head/ 4 tails. (it is something like combination... probability here) So in order to get to 2 heads/2 tails there are so many ways, and if you are talking about tossing 100 coins, the possible number of combinations will be astronomical.. that brings me to something that I was discussing with my brother the other day...
I was saying over lunch that some students sleep in lecture and skip lessons, kind of unbecoming of students. Then my brother said, it is not the process that matters, at the end of the day they sleep they skip they still get a first class honours, so why bother? Then I said, isn't that attitude a little not right? (I've never slept in a lecture, but my result doesn't seem to be superior to anyone...that kind of makes me feel disheartened)
Then yesterday at lunch time, my lecture clique was crapping and daydreaming. So Hong Jun was saying "give me money now", then I said "give me a degree now".... I realize, you want a degree cos you want to make money.. so if you have money, then why go through the pain of studying for a degree?
People are like talking about process is more important than outcome, but how many people truly accepts the notion? Meder has been saying it (yeah he reads too much on climbing books), Alex... ermm I think he should have said it somewhere... Is education really about outcome? I really feel like vomiting when people are like feeding themselves with past year papers and kids going for tuition like more often than they eat rice...
I still don't feel right about it. It is like, to finish a race you can run all the way, you can crawl all the way, or you can even hitchhike someone's car. Sheesh, you can count the number of freaks on earth using one finger.
The example is like this: you have 4 coins and you are to toss them. In order to get 4 heads/0 tail there is only 1 way; 4 ways for 3 heads/1 tail; 6 ways for 2 heads/2 tails; 4 ways for 1 head/ 3 tails; and 1 way for 0 head/ 4 tails. (it is something like combination... probability here) So in order to get to 2 heads/2 tails there are so many ways, and if you are talking about tossing 100 coins, the possible number of combinations will be astronomical.. that brings me to something that I was discussing with my brother the other day...
I was saying over lunch that some students sleep in lecture and skip lessons, kind of unbecoming of students. Then my brother said, it is not the process that matters, at the end of the day they sleep they skip they still get a first class honours, so why bother? Then I said, isn't that attitude a little not right? (I've never slept in a lecture, but my result doesn't seem to be superior to anyone...that kind of makes me feel disheartened)
Then yesterday at lunch time, my lecture clique was crapping and daydreaming. So Hong Jun was saying "give me money now", then I said "give me a degree now".... I realize, you want a degree cos you want to make money.. so if you have money, then why go through the pain of studying for a degree?
People are like talking about process is more important than outcome, but how many people truly accepts the notion? Meder has been saying it (yeah he reads too much on climbing books), Alex... ermm I think he should have said it somewhere... Is education really about outcome? I really feel like vomiting when people are like feeding themselves with past year papers and kids going for tuition like more often than they eat rice...
I still don't feel right about it. It is like, to finish a race you can run all the way, you can crawl all the way, or you can even hitchhike someone's car. Sheesh, you can count the number of freaks on earth using one finger.
9 Comments:
Haha...education is about training of the mind,therefore the process is always more important...sadly you don't see it happening here in NUS, and Singapore. As long as u get your As and first class,nothing else matters. Hah this explains the blatant cheating during tests:(
By Anonymous, at 11/05/2005 01:29:00 PM
true, true and truth... =(
By Anonymous, at 11/05/2005 01:41:00 PM
*surprised* there are blatant cheating in tests?? (well I know there are but still can't quite believe it)
By chillycraps, at 11/05/2005 03:25:00 PM
haha... always begin with the end in mind. And yes... it really is the outcome that I think is important.
Its like the fella, who climbs all the way up a ladder and finally realises that its leaning on the wrong wall! Process... same... outcome... totally off.
Even for education, for some people, it really is for the training of the mind; it is the goal, the purpose, then the process really is important. But for others it is the money, then it really isn't important.
In my year, there was an engineering student who was the only one who graduated with a pass for his cohort. Man.... That must suck. But he was already making 10k in income through his insurance sales! Hmm.... do you think he met his objective?
By Alex Wong, at 11/05/2005 05:38:00 PM
being task-orientated is one thing, but being result-orientated is another. It is like in trying to achieving the desire outcome, do you allow yourself to resort to all sorts of methods? (the by hook, by crook, beg, steal, borrow kind..)
Of course there are people who have never gone beyond Sec 4 and they still make around 10k per month...
By chillycraps, at 11/05/2005 06:19:00 PM
hmm.. dunno leh.. for me.. cert isn't everything.. but being overseas, it's the process of learning and the entrance into society's university tat's really important.. u might be makin lots of money.. but at the end of the day.. u lose out on EQ and other things.. tat's really sad.. it only shows how much you have learnt in university.. University and normal education is not the same though.. from my POV.. cuz it encompass more than what's in the text.. it's an experience when u go down 10 years down the road.. look back and said.. yup.. this was "taught" to me in the university.. ("taught" not the literal taught.. but in another way..)
By DJ Niwde, at 11/05/2005 11:18:00 PM
isn't university part of 'normal' education now??
By chillycraps, at 11/05/2005 11:21:00 PM
i tink tat's y his view is different. to him, "normal" education is what you learn in.. social ways, may I put it that way? "normal" might be rote-learning to you (and majority of us) but to others is what you do to your EQ, what happens and what you learn that changes your personality, how you interact with others etc...
By Anonymous, at 11/06/2005 12:35:00 AM
tstar i think you got my stand totally reversed....
By chillycraps, at 11/06/2005 12:48:00 AM
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